Post by Mike on Feb 18, 2014 19:08:53 GMT
What is rational and what is logical?
by Fatfist Fattie
RATIONAL:
The word ‘rational’ applies specifically to statements, which are the linguistic outputs of our thoughts. We say that a statement is RATIONAL, when it meets ALL of the following criteria:
1. It does not reify concepts into objects and does not attempt to apply motion to concepts or to nothing.
2. It can be visualized, illustrated, and can be put as a movie on the big screen without any missing frames.
3. Every crucial term that is referenced can be defined unambiguously and used consistently.
So clearly, what is RATIONAL has, without question, nothing to do with truth, absolutes, proof, or logic.
Rational thought is 100% without question, completely divorced from LOGICAL thought. They are in completely different categories.
1) Logical thought (truth, proof) is founded upon artificial axiomatic rules conceived by humans. Logical systems come in 2 forms which are represented in either SYMBOLIC or CONTEXTUAL languages. They are only DESCRIPTIVE, and never prescriptive.
They cannot prescribe or explain reality. This means that as a language, logic (truth, proof, etc.) deals exclusively with concepts, and not objects. Hence, logic can NEVER have any EXPLANATORY power. Logic can never be used to EXPLAIN why natural phenomena happen a certain way because it deals with concepts (verbs & adverbs), and NOT objects (the nouns of reality)!
Logic is only descriptive.....it can only DESCRIBE the subjective and opinionated observations a human made via his physically limited sensory system. This is why logic is 100% DIVORCED from reality!
2) Rational thought is predicated upon reality, Mother Nature’s realm, which can only be critically reasoned by humans.
It is not based on artificial axiomatic rules or any systems of logic. It is based on the realization that the universe consists of either SOMETHING (that which has shape), or NOTHING (that which doesn’t). There is NO conceivable middle ground between shape and no-shape, or any other option.....ever! This is reality, and this is what the word RATIONAL is predicated upon!!
What is rational is not subject to someone’s opinion. This is the objective criterion demanded by reality....Mother Nature’s realm. Rationality is necessarily predicated upon OBJECTIVITY, without the injection of the opinions of human observers. Otherwise, it will degrade to an issue of ordinary speech, religion, opinion, or the Symbolic Logical Religious sect known as Mathematical Physics, which is 100% dependent upon the subjectively biased observations, opinions & descriptions of humans.
Not a single rational explanation can ever be offered by any discipline which is based on LOGIC.
If somebody claims that their God Theory is RATIONAL, then they had better know what they’re talking about. If they cannot visualize their own theory, and make a movie out of it, then they have NO clue of what they are talking about. They do not have a ‘rational explanation’ by any stretch of the imagination.
For example, a God Theory would have to show in frame #1 of the movie, God with his magic wand, existing in nothing; i.e. no space, no matter, no void. In frame #2 and later frames, the movie would have to show how God creates space. We cannot just have space magically appear in frame #2. How did God do it? Similarly, in say frame #100, the movie would have to show how God created the first bit of matter. It is irrational to just have matter appear in frame #100, when it didn’t even exist in frame #99. The movie is supposed to explain all these issues by showing how no-shape can surreptitiously acquire Length, Width, and Height, and turn into shape/form with internal structure.
An irrational explanation consists of a scene that cannot be visualized or imagined. An irrational explanation is one that the proponent cannot illustrate or convert into a movie.
by Fatfist Fattie
RATIONAL:
The word ‘rational’ applies specifically to statements, which are the linguistic outputs of our thoughts. We say that a statement is RATIONAL, when it meets ALL of the following criteria:
1. It does not reify concepts into objects and does not attempt to apply motion to concepts or to nothing.
2. It can be visualized, illustrated, and can be put as a movie on the big screen without any missing frames.
3. Every crucial term that is referenced can be defined unambiguously and used consistently.
So clearly, what is RATIONAL has, without question, nothing to do with truth, absolutes, proof, or logic.
Rational thought is 100% without question, completely divorced from LOGICAL thought. They are in completely different categories.
1) Logical thought (truth, proof) is founded upon artificial axiomatic rules conceived by humans. Logical systems come in 2 forms which are represented in either SYMBOLIC or CONTEXTUAL languages. They are only DESCRIPTIVE, and never prescriptive.
They cannot prescribe or explain reality. This means that as a language, logic (truth, proof, etc.) deals exclusively with concepts, and not objects. Hence, logic can NEVER have any EXPLANATORY power. Logic can never be used to EXPLAIN why natural phenomena happen a certain way because it deals with concepts (verbs & adverbs), and NOT objects (the nouns of reality)!
Logic is only descriptive.....it can only DESCRIBE the subjective and opinionated observations a human made via his physically limited sensory system. This is why logic is 100% DIVORCED from reality!
2) Rational thought is predicated upon reality, Mother Nature’s realm, which can only be critically reasoned by humans.
It is not based on artificial axiomatic rules or any systems of logic. It is based on the realization that the universe consists of either SOMETHING (that which has shape), or NOTHING (that which doesn’t). There is NO conceivable middle ground between shape and no-shape, or any other option.....ever! This is reality, and this is what the word RATIONAL is predicated upon!!
What is rational is not subject to someone’s opinion. This is the objective criterion demanded by reality....Mother Nature’s realm. Rationality is necessarily predicated upon OBJECTIVITY, without the injection of the opinions of human observers. Otherwise, it will degrade to an issue of ordinary speech, religion, opinion, or the Symbolic Logical Religious sect known as Mathematical Physics, which is 100% dependent upon the subjectively biased observations, opinions & descriptions of humans.
Not a single rational explanation can ever be offered by any discipline which is based on LOGIC.
If somebody claims that their God Theory is RATIONAL, then they had better know what they’re talking about. If they cannot visualize their own theory, and make a movie out of it, then they have NO clue of what they are talking about. They do not have a ‘rational explanation’ by any stretch of the imagination.
For example, a God Theory would have to show in frame #1 of the movie, God with his magic wand, existing in nothing; i.e. no space, no matter, no void. In frame #2 and later frames, the movie would have to show how God creates space. We cannot just have space magically appear in frame #2. How did God do it? Similarly, in say frame #100, the movie would have to show how God created the first bit of matter. It is irrational to just have matter appear in frame #100, when it didn’t even exist in frame #99. The movie is supposed to explain all these issues by showing how no-shape can surreptitiously acquire Length, Width, and Height, and turn into shape/form with internal structure.
An irrational explanation consists of a scene that cannot be visualized or imagined. An irrational explanation is one that the proponent cannot illustrate or convert into a movie.
